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Nez Perces
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:24:00 -
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Well.. for this thread to turn into something interesting, I think we need some more evidence that this is indeed on the cards.
So Eddz... would you mind sharing with the eager viewer, what exactly makes you think such a war is afoot?
One could conclude that the IAC<>ISS war is the catalyser for such a conflict.... its certainly the hottest war happening atm. And already some of the protagonists you have mentioned in your lineup have weighed in.. mainly MC/FIX/RA/Goons/TCF/AAA.
But.. that does not mean D2 and BoB are about to swing blows at eachother... we could go another 6 months without anything major happening.
Yes IRON is down south harrasing FIX and E-R are in fountain....expeditionary forces perhaps? ... but its a quite a leap to suggest that a full scale D2<>BoB mobilisiation is forthcoming.
Obviously you must know something extra... care to share it? 
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 12:45:53
 Originally by: KIAEddZ
I have no evidence that I am able to share, sorry, so you'll just have to do "conjecture and speculation" :)
boo... hiss... 
k... well lets play anyways.. sounds fun.
Lets pretend this is actually gonna happen. And if so it would be all out war across EVE, no entity would be untouched by it. Thats for sure.
I think to make any kind of analysis one has to break the protagonists into power blocks that have their own political and military gravitational field.
Also I believe that such a war would not be only about D2 vs BoB, the protagonists on either side would use the war to further their own objectives.
So lets line up the power blocks: on one side D2, RAGooons, AAA and on the other BoB and LV.
K now... lets look at which of these already has their hands full with a raging war. LV and RAGoon are squared up and kind of neutralise eachother.
That leaves D2/AAA vs BoB. (note that i'm treating these as power blocks with their accompanying allies, just to simplify things)
K the key here is AAA imo.. they are the wildcard.... if AAA have already napped with D2, this whole thing *is* gonna happen.
And if D2+allies pull out all the stops and AAA play for keeps...... my conclusion is that BoB+tennants will get overrun.
What do you think about that Eddz?
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dracorimus
As has been said, it's always the hardest being the aggressor, so I would hope whomever it was/is that does come, has a serious backbone and lasts longer than 3 months, can take losing and can backup there forum posturing with in-game actions......and prove it !
If it does happen then I expect nothing less.....
I think the interesting thing here is that this only works.. if D2 are the agressors....are they capable of it? who knows....
It only really makes sense if D2 initiates it.... lets face it BoB are going to have to micro-manage ASCN space for a little while. AAA have to mirco-manage ex-AXE space.
Neither of those is going to want to embark on operations on the other side of the galaxy for at least another couple of months... D2 has to do the legwork here.. if they don't, this is not going to happen.
If D2 don't make a move.. like soon.... they are gonna find BoB completely rested and in their backyard... and BoB on the offensive is much more dangerous than BoB defending, not because they are bad at defending but because they excel at offensive combat, its their bread and butter. I don't think there is a single entity in the game that can stand up to BoB on the offensive and certainly AAA aren't going to run up north to defend D2 space.
So if D2 want to enlist AAA's participation.. they have to move soon or not at all.
In conclusion.. either D2 go on the offensive or 3 months down the line they are going to have BoB all over them up north, the question is do D2 want an offensive war or a defensive one? And there is no way BoB is gonna let D2 sit in the north building Titans for ever.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 14:19:52
Originally by: RedClaws
why the heck would D2 decide to attack now when only 1 month ago they had the greatest opportunity they could ever have?(When bob was still actively fighting ascn with full force)
Maybe as payback for the trust fiasco? D2 never forgave ASCN for that.
The question has to be where would ex-ASCN corps that took up BoB's tenancy offer stand, if this came to pass. Would you continue to pay rent to BoB or would you rebel?
And no you don't have to answer that, its hypothetical.
[edit:typo]
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 06/01/2007 02:28:15
Originally by: Machiavelli7
All this speculation, while fun, misses one bleedin' obvious point:
SOME PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO 50+ JUMPS FOR A FIGHT!!
Can't think of anything more boring myself. I remember the last time a big north v south coalition was attempted, and it fell to pieces because most entities can find someone to shoot much closer to home.
Yeah this issue has been brought up before in another time when a North vs South was engineered, perhaps too artificially. And its a valid question, why travel 50+ jumps to shoot somebody? When you can surely shoot somebody next door.
Well the answer is simple. Its done because it can be done.. because there is an entity in this game that *will* travel 100+ jumps and more to shoot somebody they deem unworthy of 0.0 existance.
The question then becomes not why travel 50+ jumps? .. but....
What happens if you don't?
If the conditions are such that in balance it is more favourable to travel the distance and get a more satisfactory outcome, why not do it? Is it not preferrable to do so than wait for somebody to travel 50+ jumps to you in what could turn out to be unfavourable circumstances? Circumstances exacerbated by the fact that you were not prepared to go the distance in the first place.
I guess it all depends on how badly you want to survive in the long run. Do you have what it takes? .. and if you don't there is no point kidding yourself or those around you that think you do, but will be sorely disappointed when the moment of truth arrives.
Sorry I'm being so longwinded, but I think you know of what I speak.. Machi.
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